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Title: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Arcade Sona Miku on September 05, 2013, 04:09:02 pm
I keep googling it and each page gives me the same tips that either never work or are extremely obvious.

Reducing lighting (my room is like pitch black), don't drink caffeine within a number of hours before sleeping, read, use your imagination, don't eat foods high in protein or sugar before going to bed.

And a lot more. And all of them aren't working.

Can someone please give me an effective tip that actually works? Eg; possibly any easy-to-obtain psychoactive substances that assist in sleeping?


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Steel on September 05, 2013, 05:25:29 pm
I keep googling it and each page gives me the same tips that either never work or are extremely obvious.

Reducing lighting (my room is like pitch black), don't drink caffeine within a number of hours before sleeping, read, use your imagination, don't eat foods high in protein or sugar before going to bed.

And a lot more. And all of them aren't working.

Can someone please give me an effective tip that actually works? Eg; possibly any easy-to-obtain psychoactive substances that assist in sleeping?
Watch TV for a bit, it'll get your mind off trying to sleep.
Or make the room dark, and play on a bright screen, like a DS or phone, that gets you mind off it and make you want to close your eyes.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Chaos on September 05, 2013, 05:25:57 pm
Drugs.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Arcade Sona Miku on September 05, 2013, 06:02:02 pm
Watch TV for a bit, it'll get your mind off trying to sleep.
Or make the room dark, and play on a bright screen, like a DS or phone, that gets you mind off it and make you want to close your eyes.
Sorry but it's tips like these that aren't working :(

In fact, if these tips in general aren't working, maybe I'm just really asking for names of over-the-counter sleeping drugs >.>

Because unless I'm really tired, when I go to bed, no matter what I seem to do, I take way too long to sleep if I'm sober. Can be hours.

I can be extremely cozy and not move a single limb for 30min - 2 hours, but I will still be awake.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Atomica on September 05, 2013, 06:04:02 pm
In fact, if these tips in general aren't working, maybe I'm just really asking for names of over-the-counter sleeping drugs >.>
yeah things like TV, books to try to sleep doesn't work and I've always found it silly advice.  They keep your mind active with focus on something and will keep you up if you keep doing it.  You have to switch off the tv or close the book before you get to bed otherwise you'd just stay up all night reading the book or such.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Arcade Sona Miku on September 05, 2013, 06:05:44 pm
yeah things like TV, books to try to sleep doesn't work and I've always found it silly advice.  They keep your mind active with focus on something and will keep you up if you keep doing it.  You have to switch off the tv or close the book before you get to bed otherwise you'd just stay up all night reading the book or such.
Agreed, but at the same time, it's really common advice, so I guess that advice must work on a fair number of people.

Not us, though.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Steel on September 05, 2013, 07:12:19 pm
yeah things like TV, books to try to sleep doesn't work and I've always found it silly advice.  They keep your mind active with focus on something and will keep you up if you keep doing it.  You have to switch off the tv or close the book before you get to bed otherwise you'd just stay up all night reading the book or such.
it works for me.
You have to just keep your mind preoccupied. Don't think of falling asleep, get lost in something else.
When I can't sleep i play a video game with lights on and setting for a bit
then i fall asleep normally, wake up, and forgot i even struggled sleeping.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Daniel the Buizel on September 05, 2013, 07:38:45 pm
Watch TV for a bit, it'll get your mind off trying to sleep.
Or make the room dark, and play on a bright screen, like a DS or phone, that gets you mind off it and make you want to close your eyes.
It's the exact opposite for me, those things keep me up all night.

One thing that I heard helps is using your room almost exclusively for sleeping, and doing all other work in some other room.  People have trouble sleeping in a room that they're comfortable working in.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Coyote Starrk on September 05, 2013, 08:06:52 pm
wake up earlier and start going to sleep at the same time every day. after awhile pavlov will make you sleep :u


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Magoo on September 05, 2013, 10:20:06 pm
wake up earlier and start going to sleep at the same time every day. after awhile pavlov will make you sleep :u

This.

If you go to bed and wake up at the same time always, your body will get used to it.
Your brain will know it's time to wake up or sleep.

Also, don't do drugs.
It never helped sleeping.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Aperl on September 05, 2013, 10:57:00 pm
A glass of white wine at dessert makes me sleepy fast.

But usually, I read a book, staying away from screens if I can (now I'm reading on my iPhone so I'm counterproductive), and at some point my eyes close by themselves. I don't look at what time it is.
Also, I have three alarms. I need to wake up at 6:15, so I have one alarm at 5:00, one at 6:05 and one at 6:15. The first one, I don't even realize that I woke up to turn it off. (It rings really loud so it's impossible that I've ignored it, orelse my whole family would wake up). After that one, that may seem very futile, I sleep like I've never slept. I cherish this whole hour. Then, the two successive alarms get me out of bed without problem.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Coyote Starrk on September 05, 2013, 11:05:35 pm
A glass of white wine at dessert makes me sleepy fast.

But usually, I read a book, staying away from screens if I can (now I'm reading on my iPhone so I'm counterproductive), and at some point my eyes close by themselves. I don't look at what time it is.
Also, I have three alarms. I need to wake up at 6:15, so I have one alarm at 5:00, one at 6:05 and one at 6:15. The first one, I don't even realize that I woke up to turn it off. (It rings really loud so it's impossible that I've ignored it, orelse my whole family would wake up). After that one, that may seem very futile, I sleep like I've never slept. I cherish this whole hour. Then, the two successive alarms get me out of bed without problem.
Why not get that alarm that rolls around and forces you to get up and chase it to turn it off?


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Arcade Sona Miku on September 05, 2013, 11:32:11 pm
This.

If you go to bed and wake up at the same time always, your body will get used to it.
Your brain will know it's time to wake up or sleep.

Also, don't do drugs.
It never helped sleeping.
Oh, drugs help getting to sleep like a beast!

The sleep will be much less refreshing though. You're gonna be pretty tired the next day. x.x

Obviously it depends on the drug, but the ones I have in mind..


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Magoo on September 06, 2013, 06:01:25 am
Oh, drugs help getting to sleep like a beast!

The sleep will be much less refreshing though. You're gonna be pretty tired the next day. x.x

Obviously it depends on the drug, but the ones I have in mind..

That's cause you don't sleep.
You just don't realize you're still awake.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Aperl on September 06, 2013, 09:48:16 am
Why not get that alarm that rolls around and forces you to get up and chase it to turn it off?
Well my alarm is never closer than 3 meters from my bed, so I need to get out of my bed in order to turn it off. This makes the alarm effect last longer, and thus the sound is echoing in my mind as I try to get my sleep back the second and third time. The impression is strong enough so that I'm not tempted to go back to sleep. The first alarm goes unnoticed in my system though, which makes this approach even more powerful in my case.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: x Layla x on September 07, 2013, 03:57:11 pm
I've had insomnia for 13 years. The normal tips don't work for me.
The whole "your body gets used to it" argument always drove me mad - I got through college on 3 hours sleep a night. Even being out the house for 11 or so hours a day didn't help me sleep!

I have depression and anxiety so it's probably linked to that for me.

The only way I sleep easily is when my boyfriend is in the bed with me. The rest of the time I just watch a tv show/movie I like but have watched a lot. Its the only thing that works for me when I'm alone, it needs to be mildly amusing enough that I don't get bored of just being laid there, but that I've seen enough that it isn't actually a distraction from sleeping.

I'm not as bad now as I used to be, but it used to take me about 5 hours to get to sleep at the very least. Some nights I just didn't sleep.

Now that I've worked out how it works for me it takes about two hours.


Title: Re: Please help; how do I get to sleep?
Post by: Aperl on September 08, 2013, 09:21:38 am
I don't think I have insomnia, personally, though I've convinced myself of it multiple times.
Insomnia is something that seems to run in my familly. My father insta-sleeps, and my brother as well. But my mom often takes sleeping pills, my grandmother reads for hours before she can sleep, and my grandfather has around 3 hours of sleep every night (and has to take naps in the afternoon).
It usually takes me around 2-4 hours to sleep. It's as if my body's internal clock was aligned with Australia's timezone or something.
However, I learned to control it, and to adapt myself to it. As I already mentioned, I read until my brain has only the energy to turn off the light. Then, and only then, can I close my eyes and fall under morpheo's embrace. For the past three days, I've been reading until 3-3:30 a.m.
I didn't find any way to just fall asleep instantaneously. Reading for 3 hours isn't insta-sleep at all. But as I love reading, I find it an agreeable compromise. I also have a school schedule that allows me to wake up late.
My advice is, find something that will drain your energy. I do sports everyday, not much, mind you, but still enough to feel tired in the evening. Then, I perform my Fatality! move my forcing my eyes to close themselves, which is, by applying light on them and keeping them open. And I kill what's left of my brain by giving me things to ponder about, by thinking about stuff. Those last two elements I mix through reading. Flipping pages does not require the physical activity of moving a mouse, so it keeps my body in a sleeping motion. That's why I don't suggest to be on the computer, for as long as your body is active (that sentence is dubious lol), you won't be able to be in a sleeping stance.